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http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/extended-discussion/what-s-wrong-with-being-gay-bi/t.55076725_106/

Ok. I think justifying opinion, was it against homosexuality or homosexuals approving, with bible demands that you know what you are talking about, tryly.

Sure the Bible says quite few things which have become downright favourite arguments to those who hold the Bible proper scource of arguments to deny homosexuality. But - since when love, same love that Christians so much like to talk about in the name of God, has been disgraceful or wrong thing? What does it matter, when it's that same love between two men and women?

The books of the Bible have written in very different time and culture to compared to our own. During the times of Bible the relationship between man and woman didn't start with falling in love and affection which was followed by commitment and respect from their free will. No. Back then it was decision made through will of parents and familys, practicality and propriety. Woman was moved by marriage to property of her husband from her father or other made relative. Our modern system would most likely be as weird and yet cruel in their eyes (since to women and children marriage actually was good and safe, since treatment of unmarried free women and illegitimate children wasn't very good one) than their system is in our eyes, but that directly doesn't make one better than another. Systems are just different.

Free man back then was in most highest position in creation. Woman was under her husbands guardianship (or fathers or whose male relatives house she lived in, before marriage), and husband had right to decide in behalf of woman. Of course, it wasn't even back then honourable or decent to treat your wife, servants, slaves, cattle or wealth carelessly or grievously.

Jesus itself teaches, in Gospel of Matthew (19:10-12), that marriage (now let's think about it how it was understanded back then, between man and woman) is only to those who are created to that part. If someone is incapable to marriage, why to commit sin of lying and not only to yourself but also to God and engage into bad marriage?

Nearly everytime the Bible talks about homosexuality, there is act involved and situations verge downright rape, in other words humiliating and lowering another man from his status as crown of creatin. This happens at least in Book of Judges (19:22-23) verse which with Book of Genesis' (19:5-8) infamous Sodom is sure ironically many times already heard argument agains homosexuality (not to mention both of these verses continue with turn where rapists are offered women to have sex with). In Epistle to the Romans there is also one verse (1:27) which talks briefly about homosexuality, and usually it's quoted detached from context. If you read and examine whole text around the verse, you find that the message what St. Paul is trying to tell is that don't take a stand of God and don't judge each other.

So, what the heck does rape have in common with steady, loving, respecting relationship between two people, who possibly have sex with each other? I can't come up with the single thing. It goes with relationships with man and woman, two men and two women. There is really no differences.





(I'm not native English speaker, so my writing can not absolutely be perfect. Also I have not read English translation of the Bible so verses I mentioned are correct with Finnish, my native languages translation of the Bible, but not necessary with the English translation. If someone knows better of finds verses you think I meant, please correct me.)